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Asa Boxer's avatar

One of the main vectors of trouble is that science teachers and profs discourage deep questioning like how did Newton derive G? or how do we know viruses are real? etc. So it will take gumption for a truly inquisitive student to make it through the system.

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"This subject is probably even more controversial than global warming."

Aye, I'm afraid so. I find it very entertaining and valiant when you 'fight positivism with positivism', but it's also a little frustrating for me for entirely pragmatic reasons - I want to engage with you in this arena, but the philosophical topics are too huge to approach from a standing start. I'd need a well-made conceptual skeleton key to get to where the discussion would be fruitful and I don't have one right now.

In brief, however, the sciences are riddled with entirely conceptual entities... you don't need to go for virus, electron is fine as an exemplar (much less controversial). I think it's the best example because despite the impossibility of observing an electron, we would not ditch the electron without another model that supplanted it and plugged the theoretical gap. This is also how I feel about the virus as a conceptual entity - the contagion model is badly broken (the challenge trials research are fascinating in this regard!) but the virus concept does plenty of work elsewhere too e.g. I don't know how to explain the Antarctic cod's glycoprotein without it. I'm willing to entertain all options... but we're dealing with tightly interwoven webs of concepts and complex questions about epistemology here.

I very much like your idea about a new kind of search engine... I don't think the commercial forces exist to get this made, alas.

Please forgive this 'glancing blow' - and also consider it a raincheck for a future discussion on this! I'll need to craft some tools to make our hypothetical future conversation worthwhile.

With unlimited love,

Chris.

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